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 Afternoon Session
 
SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: Witness, do you remember Hitler saying in his Reichstag speech on 20 February 1938: “National Socialism possesses Germany entirely and completely. There is no institution in this State which is not National Socialist.” Do you remember these wolrds, or if you do not remember the exact words do you remember the sense of these words being stated by Hitler?

KAUFMANN: I remember the sense of the words, but not the words themselves.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: My Lord, the extract from the speech is in Document Book 5, in Document 2715-PS.

[Turning to the witness.] Do you agree with the sense of these words?

KAUFMANN: No.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: Do you think it was an exaggeration?

KAUFMANN: I am convinced that not all institutions were at that time National. Socialist.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: But you would agree that the vast majority of institutions were National Socialist?

KAUFMANN: They were in the process of becoming National Socialist, but that process had not been completed.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: So you would agree that what Hitler states as a fact was the aim for which he was working?

KAUFMANN: Yes.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: And the method by which he was working for that aim was through the system of political leadership conducted by the Leadership Corps?

KAUFMANN: By that means the aim could be reached only in part.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: It was one essential method of possessing Germany in the sense of getting complete control of the minds and hearts and feelings of the population of Germany, was it not?

KAUFMANN: No, in my opinion only at the beginning.

SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: Only at the beginning? But that was the work which had gone on from 1933 up to 1938, when these words were spoken by Hitler? 
 
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